eaten in one sitting. Alas, I will have to leave all my fancy examples
for another episode. Thus, until next time...
+**Update, July 27**: comments on this post are listed in footnote
+[^6].
+
[^1]: Contrary to popular beliefs and expectations, the things that
some particular X can do that are known to (some particular) me
are not to be confused with the total set of things that said X
will just have to live with my peculiar way of organizing
thoughts.
+[^6]: Comments so far:
+
+ <a name="comment1" href="#comment1">**Comment #1**</a>: [Mircea
+ Popescu][trilema] [writes][btcbase-1925066] (and answers go
+ inline):
+
+ > I have two fundamental objections : why is the class called
+ > "myacceptor",
+
+ The name was chosen on a whim, merely for the sake of illustrating
+ the acceptor mechanism at work. One also wouldn't usually name
+ things like this, but I knew beforehand that I'm going to throw
+ this example away when moving to the easy-acceptor thing.
+
+ > and why are you showing "thing isn't something that we'd
+ > normally do" ?
+
+ Common Lisp boasts this ability to patch systems with zero
+ downtime, so I thought it fun to show how to extend the web server
+ instance while it's running. The downside to this is that (at
+ least in my experience) it can easily get messy with the number of
+ variables in the system, and one has to really know what they're
+ doing, lest they nuke their Lisp instance.
+
+ In any case, I don't think it hurts to at least know about the
+ existence of this approach, if only for putting on paper this
+ other weird thing that CL can do.
+
+ > I also have my reservations about a "define-easy-acceptor" macro
+ > etc, but we'll leave that for later. I'm very curious to see
+ > current MP-WP url schema interpretation in lisp tho.
+
+ Interestingly enough (and to give a hint of what's next), the URL
+ interpretation item doesn't use this define-easy-acceptor,
+ although it is based on the same dispatch mechanism. The server
+ requires some means of attaching request handlers to particular
+ URLs, whether it's through some fancy macro or otherwise.
+
+ > Very nice schema thing tho!
+
+ Thank you!
+
+ > Re "I've been using this piece of code for a while because my
+ > program requires it, but I don't trust it enough to sign it just
+ > yet" : for the <a
+ > href=http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923613>default
+ > example</a>, make a S-spyked-UBWS nick with its own key
+ > (standing for "Shit Spyked Uses But Won't Sign") and... sign it
+ > with that key. And rate it, from spyked, "-5 this asshole signs
+ > shitty code I use" or w/e. Then it's fucking clear, very
+ > specifically and most precisely <a
+ > href=http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/>WoT-wise</a> :
+ > everyone's doing exactly their job, you're negrating the
+ > asshole, A+++ spyked would trade again ; and the asshole's being
+ > an asshole, A+++ asshole, would trade again also.
+ >
+ > In other words, there's no papering over the tulpas. You got
+ > multiple personality disorder when you're using and disawoving,
+ > your wot tree is stuck reflecting that. Can't just pretend it
+ > away. Besides, writing it down helps immensely in dealing with
+ > it, as any psychiatrist + <a
+ > href=http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/07/forward-looking-report-weeks-28-31-of-2019/comment-page-1/#comment-37>lobbes</a>
+ > can attest.
+
+ This sounds all right, but let's take a more practical example:
+ say I genesize Hunchentoot, signing it using Spyked's key, and Phf
+ wants to give it a spin. However, when he attempts to run it as
+ per the instructions in the genesis, he finds out that it doesn't
+ play well with one of the 12 (ungenesized) pieces of coad it
+ depends on. Then he complains and I naturally offer to give him my
+ own version of shitty-yet-unread-code.
+
+ The question then is, why would Phf trust S-spyked-UBWS' coad over
+ a tarball, a ksum and a signature of the hash, denoting "that's
+ the same piece of shit I've been using, although it comes with no
+ guarantees"? I haven't read the entire Gutenberg archive either,
+ and yet I [did publish it][gutenberg] that way.
+
+ Which brings us back to the "what about SBCL, Linux and all those
+ other programs we're using" problem mentioned in the post. If
+ signing genesis with an alt-key is the correct approach, then we
+ should be doing this like yesterday or so.
+
+ > PS. Holy shit, PPerlCRE ?!
+
+ Aha, "Portable Perl-Compatible Regular Expressions"! I suspect
+ it's used by Hunchentoot to implement its very own mod\_rewrite.
+
+ <a name="comment2" href="#comment2">**Comment #2**</a>: [Mircea
+ Popescu][trilema] [writes][btcbase-1925066]:
+
+ > **mp\_en\_viaje**: spyked, my two "objections", as i'm sure you
+ > noticed, tend towards a broad "omfg, bad habits" sorta
+ > something.
+ >
+ > **mp\_en\_viaje**: as far as your practical example : do not
+ > genesis parts ; include the 12 things in yoru genersis if they
+ > are needed.
+ >
+ > **mp\_en\_viaje**: and yes we should be doing this like
+ > yesterday or so. we should have been doing it ike yesterday or
+ > so, hence eg
+ > [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868413](http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868413)
+ > or
+ > [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855672](http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855672)
+ > etc
+ > a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 17:49 **mircea\_popescu**:
+ > asciilifeform well, maybe your thread. my thread was re "are we
+ > fucking idiots ?! we have a foundation that wants to publish
+ > statements of the nothing as its only output, we have a bunch of
+ > smart people not helping our own industry avoid pitfals, and in
+ > this vein forever"
+ > a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:35 **mircea\_popescu**: but as far
+ > as the foundation is concerned -- if all it does (ALL IT
+ > DOES!!!) is stand up to tell me "oh, we can't follow the keccak
+ > because reasons" ima put an end to it in short order.
+ >
+ > **mp\_en\_viaje**: but no, the querstion is not nor ever could
+ > be "why does lord prefer republican process over non-republican
+ > process", because of the very definitions of terms. if he
+ > doesn't prefer republican process he isn't a lord, irrespective
+ > what any text anywhere might be misleadingly stating ; and in
+ > any case any text anywhere will be brought into allignment with
+ > this theory sooner or later.
+
[cl-www]: /posts/y05/090-tmsr-work-ii.html#selection-108.0-108.17
[hunchentoot-i]: /posts/y05/093-hunchentoot-i.html
[hunchentoot-ii]: /posts/y05/096-hunchentoot-ii.html
[cl-who-ii-fn4]: /posts/y05/095-cl-who-ii.html#fn4
[ht-define-easy-handler]: http://coad.thetarpit.org/hunchentoot/c-easy-handlers.lisp.html#L164
[mp-wp]: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mp-wp
+[trilema]: http://trilema.com/
+[btcbase-1925066]: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-26#1925066
+[gutenberg]: /posts/y05/088-gutenberg-iv.html
+[btcbase-1925129]: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-27#1925129
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